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Denouncing Bad Behavior

Denouncing Bad Behavior

Posted September 28th, 2011 by Berta González Barbier Berta González Barbier in News

Jeff Wilson of scvtalk.com fame said in a blog response to me, “There's clearly a segment of the GOP base that is highly intolerant, however. They cheer when the death penalty is mentioned, scream "You lie" at the President from the well of Congress, shout that uninsured sick people should be left to die, and boo gay soldiers. Tell you what- I'll condemn Joe Biden and Maxine Water on this blog the same day RightOnSCV condemns the remarks and sentiments expressed at the recent debates.”

 

I accepted Jeff’s challenge. My observations and comments are as follows:

 

I viewed the Republican Candidate Debate of September 22, 2011 on the internet after its original airdate. I listened carefully and even took notes on some of the questions, answers, and the comments of those in attendance.

 

I paid particular attention when Stephan Hill who self identified himself as a gay soldier asked Rick Santorum a question regarding what Santorum would do  if elected President regarding the military’s recently overturned policy of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, and specifically whether Senator Santorum would reinstate DADT.

 

Some members of the audience booed after Mr. Hill asked the question. I am not personally certain whether they booed the question itself or the soldier asking the question but for the sake of this discussion, I will concede that they may have booed the soldier.

 

All of the candidates lost points with me for not denouncing the members of the audience booing the soldier.

 

First of all, I thank you Mr. Hill for your service to our country. I am sorry you were treated poorly; I apologize on behalf of those few misguided souls, and am ashamed that any American would be boo a soldier.

 

Right here, right now, on RightOnSCV, I denounce the behavior, comments, and sentiments of anyone booing a member of our all-volunteer military. I also denounce comments or actions by anyone, which are derogatory or disrespectful based upon race, ethnicity, gender, ancestry, physical attributes, religious beliefs, economic status, education, sexual preference, marital status, etc.

 

I do not accept that the few ill mannered or ignorant folks from whatever political party who make comments to incite, boo, etc represent the majority. Nasty disrespectful behavior is not accepted by or worthy of decent Democrats, Republicans, Tea Partiers, Decline to State, or anyone else with an ounce of sense and emotional maturity.  The crass and vulgar  name calling, race baiting, unreasonable intolerance of those unlike us, and partisan hateful  behavior all need to stop and we need to come together as a nation, engage in meaningful discussion, and  solve our problems as Americans, One Nation Under God.

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  • Bill Reynolds
    It remains a non story... I like Hermain Cain but he should not have complained about this non story.
  • Mr Perez
    I dont think Perry is racist but Cain seems to think he is insensitive to Black ppl, which was my point in the post Bill.
  • Bill Reynolds
    There goes HuffPo makin' a mountain out of a mole hill and Mr. Perez is eatin' it up. Another non story...
  • Mr Perez
    And speaking of bad behavior......http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/02/herman-cain-rick-perry-hunting-ground-black-people_n_991073.html?icid=maing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl3|sec1_lnk3|100879
  • Mr Perez
    And I will say that the response was nowhere near the level of this blog.
  • Capt. Gene
    Berta, since the SCV's premier liberal blogger sets a time limit on responses (so subject will remain fresh, like the library takeover) I was unable to respond at SCVTalk. My comment was sarcastic. The comments he denounced apparently did not merit his attention until YOU or someone here first denounced some anonymous audience member. If you had not made him do it, he wasn't going to denounce Waters et al.
  • Mr Perez
    That was on his blog and this one is about denouncing bad behaviour or what we expect from Tony Slomo and the Chokeboys :)
  • Bill Reynolds
    HEY! Petz said to knock off football talk. Whot R U Thinking?
  • Mr Perez
    Hey Bill, I hope you didn't have money on that Cryboys collapse lol. Go NFC North!
  • Bill Reynolds
    Dear SSS, who is "we"? People clamored for Gov Perry and look how that's workin' out. Same will happen to Gov Christie as he's not so pure either. Besides that, any of our people will be 10 times better that President Zero. FYI: That dog poop joke was used that very day by Rush Limbaugh.
  • SameSongSue
    Hey Capt.- it seems to be an issue for Berta, as well. Hey Berta!- we DO have something in common after all :) And- I do care when representatives, conservative or liberal, make hateful public statements. What I said was, "I am not at all interested in defending" them. And Bill, whittle it down? Looks like we are begging to add more. Why is everyone so amped up for Christie to get in the race? Maybe because he isn't insane? And the poop joke was around even before Limbaugh.
  • Capt. Gene
    So, elected representatives make public statements like those I posted without a single member of their party denouncing them and you don't care. But, some anonymous members of a studio audience boo (for reasons unknown) and you are shocked that none of the candidates give the knuckleheads a piece of their mind. This is a non issue, unless you are SameSongSue, I guess.
  • Bill Reynolds
    Instead, what we got from Gary Whatshis Name was a joke that he stole from Rush Limbaugh. Our GOP field must be whittled down so that serious debate about serious issues can happen. I'm starting to like this bumper sticker: "Cain Vs Unable", courtesy of Dennis Miller.
  • SameSongSue
    Capt.- I am not at all interested in defending Carson or Waters. I would have LOVED to see Gary Johnson pound his fist on his podium during the debate and call those people out- but a statement the day after is something. Too late for the rest of the bunch. Even if it was liberal democrats doing the booing- it was an opportunity for a candidate to set oneself apart in the race. Buch o' chickens.
  • Capt. Gene
    Again, I agree that the booing had no place in this debate, but without interviewing the handful of people that did the booing, we have no idea what they were booing; the soldier or the question.------ That having been said, the debate was also not the place to get in to it with the couple of audience members that were disruptive. For all we know they were liberal democrats that did the booing. SameSongSue, it appears you can't produce a single dem that denounced the comments I listed, even though there were plenty of them to comment on the debate booing. At least there was one GOPer to publically denounce the booing.
  • SameSongSue
    Bill- Gary Johnson would be the candidate who is not wasting time signing Marriage Pledges, holding hands with David Barton, or yapping about amending our Constitution to keep states from making their own laws about marriage. That would be all of the others on that stage. You might let those candidates know that you'd rather they stop wasting so much energy on these "unimportant" issues (repealing DADT and stealing rights from gays). Or you could look into the stance of THE most fiscally conservative candidate- Governor Johnson- and decide to back someone who isn't so freaked out about social issues and has a PROVEN record of shrinking government.
  • Bill Reynolds
    Dear SSS, you may have noticed that our GOP candidate field is quite large for adeqate debating. Therse people are scramling to have their turn and there's never enough time to handle the serious issues that face America. You have to admit that DADT is low priority given the serious economic damage Obama & Co. have heaped upon America these past 2+ years. Who IS Gary Johnson?
  • Berta
    Capt. Gene my parents and the sweet nuns taught me that two wrongs do not make a right. Yes, the list is long of folks on the Democrat side of the aisle that have said many reprehensible things and their own party members should hold them accountable, but WE must hold everyone to the same standards and let our representatives know that we will not condone such bad behavior from them or anyone else. That Joe Biden, André Carson, Maxine Waters, John Lewis, Alcee Hastings, Frederica Wilson and others have foot in mouth disease is no excuse for allowing a free pass for bad behavior from those on the right, or in the middle either. It begins and ends with each one of US, personal accountability and holding everyone to the same standards, no exceptions.
  • SameSongSue
    Capt.- I was speaking of the candidates on stage at the GOP debates when these incidents occurred. It makes sense to me that if one of these incidents occurred while one were being addressed, or one's name was mentioned, one would have a stake in speaking out about it one way or another. All of this cruelty occurred in front of the nation- and the world- on TV, on youtube, blogs, tweets, fb etc... unchallenged by those involved (excepting GJ)
  • Capt. Gene
    "Staying silent is condoning the behavior." So all the democrats that sit quiet while their fellow democrats say things like: “some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree.”---------Rep. Andre Carson (D), or: "the tea party can go straight to hell"--------Rep. Maxine Waters (D) those democrats that sit quiet all condone the behavior? I wonder if you can show me a single democrat that has condemned either of the examples above. Thanks.
  • SameSongSue
    Mr. Korenthal- oops! That’s what happens when I post a comment early in the morning prior to coffee… What I should have said- rather than 3 incidents of booing- was 3 outbursts at the GOP debates. First, a ghoulish cheer when the prolific rate of executions in Texas under Governor Perry was noted. Next: “Are you saying the society should just let him die?” Cheering and a “Yeah!”. And now, the latest, booing an American Soldier- or possibly his question? Not once did any candidate on the stage utter a word of protest at the ugly behavior in the audience. Staying silent is condoning the behavior. Rick Perry? Has he addressed the issue? Herman Cain? I’ve googled. Can’t find a thing. Sadly, it's a minority that give a sh%t. This isn’t what the Republican party looks like. Remember the Republican party that freed the slaves? Passed the 14th Amendment? Ended racial segregation in the military? Passed the 15th Amendment? Drafted the 19th? Republicans haven’t always operated from fear and anger. Republicans used to be a pretty radical bunch. Gary Johnson was the only real small government guy on that GOP debate stage. And the only one with principles enough to speak out against all 3 incidents. Berta- glad you took my name change in the good spirit in which it was intended :)
  • Berta
    Thanks Liz but I can barely keep myself in line...hee, hee
  • Liz Thatcher
    Berta, great post! The booing at these debates have bothered me... does the audience realize they are at a political debate and not a basketball game? That kind of feedback is inappropriate for any debate, whether it's towards a questioner or a candidate. Personally I would like to see the GOP address this issue. I'm looking forward to see Jeff's post in response to yours on SCV Talk, keep up the great work! Your commenters have made great posts on this topic too, how do you keep them in line? :)
  • Bill Reynolds
    Who is Gary Johnson? Berta, I thought your article was just fine and yeah, it is a minority of Repubs who misbehave. What we see on the left is completely ridiculous. They have nothing left but the blame game and degradation of conservatism. Obama has zero accomplishments after spending Billions and Billions of tax payer $$'s. Take a close look at his Solyndra/Solar campaign money laundry scheme... Obama will stoop to any depth to continue assualting America's prosperity.
  • Berta
    Thank you all for your comments. Captain Gene I mentioned the possibility that it was the question that was booed, but in my opinion, I can see where folks may perceive it as the AMERICAN SOLDIER was booed. They have every right to be upset and those of us who are decent and honorable should denounce this lousy behavior whether coming from “our” side or “theirs”. I am equally upset that Tea Party folks are damned to hell, accused of wanting to lynch blacks, are the Barbarians at the gate, terrorists, etc. The nonsense coming from all of these folks only makes us Decline to State folks, apparently the most coveted voting demographic, yearn for a true national leader who will publicly denounce but more importantly LEAD BY EXAMPLE that such behavior is unworthy of Americans. SameSongSue love the handle and appreciate the sense of humor and sentiments expressed. JP I am highly honored by your comments. KK while I agree with your sentiments regarding illegal immigrants, I must take issue with your “Mexican” label. “Mexican” is a nationality like Canadian is and since no one is asking to see legal immigration papers, which is part of the problem, you do not know if they are Mexican foreign nationals or not. While most illegal aliens are from our close neighbor Mexico, many Hispanics are not so Hispanics is a more accurate label when discussing south of the border illegal aliens. Recently illegal aliens from China are also rising in numbers so we must secure all of our borders, not just those with Mexico.
  • Capt. Gene
    Of course it's a big deal to SameSongSue, anyone shocked?
  • Mr Perez
    Sue H, That is true for every group of people and there has to be a common standard we hold everyone to. If you are right you are right and if you are wrong you are wrong. You have to call it down the middle and not take sides. What I have found to be concerning as of late are those who are former religious and then have taken a different path in life but feel obliged to bash those who still believe. I got it that you changed your beliefs but don't feel we all need to be tinkled on because you are now enlightened.
  • Mr Perez
    Kevin, are you thinking they are educating us in the military on sexual preference?
  • Sue Hartman
    The 'gay community' can be and is extremely vile and intolerant. It only takes a few minutes of converstaion or reading to become aware of this. The reason libs get away with making intolerant accusations of conseratives is because most converatives don't read or hear what the extreme left writes or says. The exreme left has no other material but crude sex jokes and intolerance toward all 'others' and then pretends to be offended if a conserative expresses disaproval. Please, some of us are not so niave.
  • Kevin D. Korenthal
    SameSongSue: What 3 times in a row? But my concern about this issue goes back to the sexualization of our society. There is this rush to initiate children into sex and sex preference and we see the same in our military. What place does sex preference have in our military? How does knowledge of ones sexual preferences help a soldier do his/her job better? And we can take this thought to race as well. Why should one race get benefits that other races do not. Asians and Mexicans are both considered minorities yet while Mexicans can get in-state tuition in California, Asians cannot. Who is the arbiter if such choices? Where is the evidence that race should determine someones eligibility for anything? Martin Luther King Jr. is doing somersaults in his grave. He meant that we should judge based on the content of ones character, not the color of their skin (or the people whom they find sexually attractive).
  • Mr Perez
    Berta, I salute you for being a person of true character, morals, and values. I agree with you that it is not the majority of Republicans, Conservatives, or Tea Party members who are doing these things but in fact a minority. We all know though how the media gives the attention to that minority making it seem as if they are the voice for all. As I said previously, the military isn't an NBA team where you can pick your favorite player/troop and cheer them on while not cheering others who are different than you. I back my brothers and sisters in arms no matter their religion, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. This is what we do in the military and this is what makes us successful. We are all green! Hooooah! It's too bad the rest of America can't take our lead and follow the example we have given.
  • SameSongSue
    Berta- I appreciate your post. The booing- had it been one isolated incident- may not have been such a big deal- but three times in a row? It's just providing amo for those who want to lump conservatives together as small-minded and selfish. One GOP candidate did come out the day after the Florida debate denouncing the booing. Gary Johnson says he regrets not speaking out then and there. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/gary-johnson-gay-soldier_n_978710.html Booing the "question" or the soldier- does that really matter? Obnoxious either way. Santorum claims not to have heard the booing. Johnson- who was right next to him on the stage- did. Santorum didn't even bother to thank Stephan Hill for his service. It is a big deal, Capt.
  • Capt. Gene
    Berta, I don't think they were booing the gay soldier, I think they were booing the question. Here's the link----- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKtzOjAWGIE&feature=player_embedded ------- He begins his question by saying he had to "lie" about who he was, a gay soldier. Nobody booed that. The booing (which sounded like two or three people tops) began after the question was asked. I agree that the booing had no place in this debate, but without interviewing the handful of people that did the booing, we have no idea what they were booing; the soldier or the question. Not surprising that the SCVTalk crowd would misrepresent and then make a big deal out of it.

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